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LNA`s

for 10 GHz

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What did change in LNA design?

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Introduction

In the past LNA‘s were designed, built, tested, redesigned,

tested, modified, tested...

Beginning 2015 EME LNA‘s came on the market without any tuning elements

Repeatability and thus industrial production became a fact

The well-known TV LNB design has reached Ham gear

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Agenda The Past

Traditional LNA development and design

Time consuming LNA work

The Future: NO-Tune Sandwich Design

About measuring Noise and Gain

Comparison of various LNA‘s

Conclusions

Appendix: The EME beacon DL0SHF with 1m dish

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The Benchmark LNA

DB6NT, Michael Kuhne

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The Benchmark LNA

* Insertion Loss by SMA/WG adapter p.

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Agilent 8975A

N4000A

Testgear of

DB6NT

Incl. SMA-WG adapter 0,08dB*

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The first commercial 10 GHz

LNA mit WG input for HAMs WR-90

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What if no DB6NT ?

Homebrewing – phantastic!

The microwave community would be very small

Newcomer would have a difficult access to microwave communication

Inspiration by DB6NT

It is just fair to thank DB6NT for his exploring work

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The traditional

Methode

F5BUU und F6BVA

OK2AQ

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„DB6NT – inspired“ Projects:

„Design, construction, measurments, endless tuning“

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F5BUU + F6BVA tried to outperform

DB6NT http://f1chf.free.fr/F5DQK/3_Preamplis_LNAs/Preamplis_10_GHz_DB6NT.pdf

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OK2AQ‘s Design

http://www.vhf.cz/soubory/dokumenty/lna-10ghz.pdf

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OK2AQ‘ design

http://www.vhf.cz/soubory/dokumenty/lna-10ghz.pdf

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Even more tuning ..

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-2.5V

ADM7160

+3.3V

Tuning at various points..

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Print Layout HB9BBD

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Tuning at various points..

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Tuning work at PCB in body..

We all know the heat dissipating when soldering in LNA..

Stickstoff bei 350 Grad C

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I heat the whole LNA without

removing the PCB

Nitrogen at 350 degrees C

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Too much work and time..

There is a more efficient way to achieve good results

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Some of us have

studied TV LNBs..

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Very cheap, reasonable qualities

„Simulation – industrial manufacturing, NO tuning “

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Sandwich LNA by DL3BPC

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DL3BPC

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NE3512S02

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DL3BPC

Charakteristics:

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• Industrial design

• Interdigital Filter after 2-stage amplifier

• No Tuning, no flaps, no tunable Gate supply

• some components are not standards

• perfectly repeatable specifications. NF within 3/100 dB, identical Gain)

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4 measured LNAs, all identical

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F1OPA

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NE 3515S02

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WR-90

Ideally matched*

*ref. Dubus 3/2016

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• Matched WG-Input stage

• Interdigital Filter following 2 stage amplifier

• No tuning, no flaps, no adjustable Gate supply

• Industrial make

• Standard components

• Reference: Dubus 3/2016 description

https://sites.google.com/site/vincentf1opa/STORE_F1OPA

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Currently used Hemts by:

** discontinued types

NE32484A **

NE32584C**

NE3210S01 **

NE3512S02

NE3511S02

MGF4919G **

0,6 dB@12 GHz

0,45 dB@12 GHz

0,45 dB@12 GHz

0,35 dB@12 GHz

0,30 dB@12 GHz

0,35 dB@12 GHz

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NE3515S02 0,30 dB@12 GHz

„T“

„ D“

„K“

„B“

„C“

„G“ G

B

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DB6NT OK2AQ

F1OPA

DL3BPC

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Measuring Noise

• Noise is very volatile – It is therefore that averaging many measurments only can characterize an LNA

• WG LNA need an adapter to measure Noise.

We have to know the loss of WG-coaxial adapters to quantify the LNA‘s Noise Figure

• Temperature matters. 290K (17 deg.C.) is specified for Agilent 8975A/N4000A. Usually, our Lab temp. is much higher! So NF measured may be close to, but not correct

• Calibration of the testequipment is significant

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Averaging

Wo bitte ist das Rauschminimum?

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2 averages

100 averages

Time required fo 20‘000 Measurings: >1h..

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SMA-WG Adapter

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Commercial WG adapters are broadband and not good enough for Noise measurments

Very much marketing twisted datasheet!

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Match of SMA-WG Adapter

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SMA-WG Adapters

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WR100

WR75

Some home made WG-coaxial adapters

It is very much a question of testequipment and cost!

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SMA-WR75 for 10‘368 MHz

Near to perfect match can reduce the insertion loss and reduce reflections

and thus is reducing measurment uncertainty

Measurment error

Es ist lohnenswert, unsere Adapter für 10‘368 MHz zu optimieren

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Match of WR-75 for 10‘368 MHz

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Match at 10‘368 MHz

S11 and S22 -32 dB

S11 and S22 50 Ohm

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WR-75 for 10‘368 MHz

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Insertion loss for two adaptors is -0,13 dB, > 1 Adapter 0.07 dB

S12 und S21 - 0.13 dB**

S11 und S22

Insertion loss

Match

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SMA-WR90 für 10‘368 MHz

S-Parameters S11, S22, S21 an overview

-0,16 dB/2 = -0,08 dB

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S22

S11

S21

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Calibration of Testequipment

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Calibration is essential for reliable results

Temperature matters for testequipment

And DUT

Amateurs are by 1 decade more critical

Than professionals (but sometimes dont calibrate carefully !!)

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Summary

DB6NT (Seal undestroyed..)

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NE3511S02

0,814 – 0,08 = 0,734 dB Adapter

B

0,3 dB@12 GHz

SMA-WR-90

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Summary

DL3BPC #10

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0,715 – 0,08 = 0,635 dB Adapter

SMA-WR-90

NE3512S02 0,35 dB@12 GHz

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Summary

F1OPA #1628

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0,684 – 0,08 = 0,604 dB Adapter

SMA-WR-90

0,3 dB@12 GHz

G NE3515S02

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HB9BBD # 3-V2.3

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0,45 dB@12 GHz

0,705 – 0,07 = 0,635 dB Adapter

MGF4919g

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Conclusions

• Traditional LNA construction clearly suffers disadvantages in design. It requires

more time and efforts to work as desired

• Broadband WG-Coaxial Adaptors do not fit for measurment purposes without

manual retuning on the specified frequency. No passive device is linear over

a span of >4 GHz at 10‘388 MHz

• Much emphasis is needed to match WG to LNA at Gate of first stage

• Best achievable NF on 3cm band today is probably 0,5 dB at ambient temperature

Losses occur by all components, by radiation, by mismatch and by any

temperature above absolute Zero

• Measurment of NF is meaningless without averaging several sweeps and still, we

have to accept uncertainty by temperature and NF of testequipment etc!

• The future belongs to LNAs designed by simulation and built in „sandwich format“

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EME Beacon DL0SHF

with 1m off-set dish

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Zirkular Pol

HM step transformer

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EME Beacon DL0SHF with 1m off-set dish

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Questions ?

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